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Tyler, The Creator’s new track ‘Rose Tinted Cheeks’ references ’20th Century Women’

Tyler, The Creator has shared a new track called ‘Rose Tinted Cheeks’, which contains a reference to the movie 20th Century Women.

The Odd Future rapper recently shared a new song called ‘Okra’, as well as a remix of Drake and Trouble’s ‘Bring It Back’.

Now he has uploaded ‘Rose Tinted Cheeks’ to YouTube. Listen below.

It includes the lines: “They Black Flag we AF / we BF as AF / but they won’t get that / that’s that 20 Century Women reference / you so hard to get like intricate metaphors”, which refer to a scene in 20th Century Women where Annette Bening and Billy Crudup’s characters dance to songs by Black Flag and so-called “art f*gs” Talking Heads.

Taking to Twitter, Tyler described ‘Rose Tinted Cheeks’ as “a song I never finished or went back to” while working on recent album Flower Boy.

“I’ve had [it] laying around and figured I just put it out as the demo/ rough draft,” he explained. “It is not really mixed or anything.”

Tyler also noted how the vocals for the hook would have been re-recorded by “a girl who could actually sing”, saying that he “wishes” he had finished the track.

Tyler’s recent track ‘Okra’, which saw him give a shout-out to Timothée Chalamet, who later responded.

Describing it as a “throwaway song”. ‘Okra’ included the lyrics: “Tell Tim Chalamet to come get at me / Skin glowin’, clear of acne”.

Later, Call Me By Your Name star Chalamet responded by retweeting a meme that a fan posted about what his reaction would likely be to the shout-out. It included photos of the actor falling out of his chair.


How wild women inspired this anti-coming-of-age film

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Mike Mills talks about ‘20th Century Women’, being called an ‘art fag’ in the SoCal punk scene and growing up with strong women in sleepy, suburban Santa Barbara

Mike Mills’s 2010 movie Beginners was inspired by his relationship with his dad who came out as gay at the age of 75. Naturally, it was deeply personal. Now he’s reached into his emotional vault again, with 20th Century Women, a movie inspired by his relationship with his mum, a woman he describes like having Humphrey Bogart as a parent.

Set in late 70s Santa Barbara, where Mills grew up as a punk-obsessed skater, the film sees Annette Bening starring as his mum. She takes a liberal approach to parenting her teenage son, Jamie, with the dad nowhere to be seen. She dances to Black Flag’s “Nervous Breakdown” in an attempt to understand the youth. She believes in letting Jamie make mistakes, telling him, “Having your heart broken is a tremendous way to learn about the world.”

Mills, in this story, is 15-year-old Jamie, a shy skater navigating the choppy waters of suburban adolescence. Guiding him are three women: his mum, his crush (Elle Fanning’s Julie, who regularly sleeps over but ‘friendzones’ him), and one of his mum’s lodgers, Abbie (Greta Gerwig), who makes him punk mixtapes and introduces him to feminist literature. These are the titular 20th century women, and as Mills tells me when we sit down, it’s a portrait of them more than it is of Jamie’s coming-of-age. Here he tells me how he tapped into the female psyche, how he ‘cinematised’ his life, and how he was labelled an ‘art fag’ for liking Talking Heads.

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You’ve said Annette Bening’s character, Dorothea, was based on your own mum; did you have a similar upbringing to Jamie?

Mike Mills: Yeah, I did all the things he did. I did the [asphyxiation] game but I didn’t end up in hospital. I did all the punk stuff and the skating, all that’s from me. And my mum had that slightly laissez-faire thing. Like if I ran away she would say, “did you have a good time?” It was like, go in the jungle, meet the tigers and lions, go make mistakes, then deal with them, I’m not gonna coddle you. She was sort of a tough character. It was like having Humphrey Bogart as your mother. And that was kinda cool but also kinda rough; it’s not the most maternal thing. My mum never got two women to help raise me, but I was kind of raised in this matriarchy with a very strong mum and two sisters who were 10 and 7 years older.

What was it like, personally, to see her bring that character to life?

Mike Mills: It’s very personal in some ways: she’s wearing my mum’s jewellery, she’s laying on my mum’s bedspread, she’s saying things my mum said, but it’s a performance, it’s distilled into a cinematised otherness. It’s not therapy, it’s not really mum. Same thing with Beginners – Christopher Plummer is not my dad. Like Fellini, I’ve been cinematising my real life, and it’s a bit of a trip that I can’t totally explain or understand. Like is it mum or not, or how much is it mum? Sometimes, when [Annette Bening] is smoking and she’s standing in front of the painting I grew up with, it’s very evocative. But that’s not the goal. I’m using all these concrete personal things to inject my film with a certain emotional charge and realness that I feel is not following the formulas of normal American films.

Your film has three incredibly strong female characters. Was it daunting for you, tapping into the female psyche? 

Mike Mills: There were three different females to tap into. And so first of all, as a heterosexual, cisgendered man, there was only so far I could go. It’s not my lived experience. In different ways I tried to make that limitation part of the story, like when Julie says “that’s not me, that’s just your version of me” towards the end, that was like her talking to the author. And my mum – I’m writing about my mum who I’m totally interwoven with; we were like a married couple, me and her, but I totally don’t understand her in many key ways, and she’s very intangible in very key ways. And that really fucked me up in the writing process: what is her voice? How do I write her? How do I be her? One thing that helped was making that part of the story.

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How did you approach writing the menstruation scene as a man?

Mike Mills: Well my wife [filmmaker/artist/author Miranda July] is very much menstruation-proud. There’s a great story where she was teaching her older brother how important it was for a man to understand menstruation. I kind of stole from that little event, so it’s partly a nod to my wife. And then the stuff that Julie says – about her first period and her first sexual experience – I interviewed some friends of mine who had wild lives in ’79, who were Julie’s age then…I liked that semi-journalistic corruption of the fictional process.

How do you think it was different for teens coming of age in 1979, as opposed to now?

Mike Mills: It’s funny, I don’t think of my movie as a coming-of-age movie; it’s a really bad coming-of-age movie because the kid doesn’t really change. I feel like the kid is there as a way to see the women. It is about him, he’s growing up, but I’m not as interested in him growing up. I’m interested in what it means to be a mum born in the 20s, having a kid when you’re 40, having a relationship and being this depression-era, Amelia Earhart, Humphrey Bogart mother of a punk rock, skateboarding kid in the 70s – and all the problems that ensue. So it’s Rudy Vallée’s “As Time Goes By” from Casablanca meets The Buzzcocks, and all the conflicts that ensue. That’s my elevator pitch of my movie.

You show how important music taste was back then and what it said about you, like the Black Flag vs. Talking Heads thing, with fans of the latter deemed ‘art fags’.

Mike Mills: In the SoCal punk scene there were definitely divisions like that. My sister got me that orange ‘77’ Talking Heads shirt and I liked all that, and I liked Bauhaus and Joy Division and all that was kind of illegal to the hardcore scene; if you liked Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Tears of all Adolescence, that stuff was sort of gay, and I say gay like, there was homophobia in that scene or “artophobia”. There was a punk house near my high school where all the riff raff punk kids hung out that I frequented, and one day I went there and ‘MIKE MILLS IS AN ART FAG’ was painted on the side of the building. So that all came from my life.

“If you liked Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Tears of all Adolescence, that stuff was sort of gay, and I say gay like, there was homophobia in that scene or ‘artophobia’” – Mike Mills

The soundtrack features some Suicide and Devo, too. The selection seemed really important; how did you choose?

Mike Mills: A lot of it is songs that I adored and grew up with. There’s so many scenes about music in the movie, and that music has been such a key thing for me. Suburban Santa Barbara in the 70s was a very sleepy, boring, isolated, normative place that I found wildly depressing, truly depressing. I felt very alone and at risk [laughs]. When I was 18 I left and went to New York. I got out. And I owe so much to that music. And music is maybe the most powerful, effective thing on me. When Trump won I just listened to Bowie all day, really loud, and it really helped. It’s more than therapy, it’s company.

Abbie passes her records down to Jamie, so it also works as a way of bridging generational gaps…

Mike Mills: Yeah, she gives him a mixtape. To me it’s a portrait of pre-digital life, where you had to know people and you had to go and seek them out and they had to give you something IRL. I remember back in the day there was this great record store, and you had to take the bus for like two hours and hopefully the right guy was working there, because that right guy knew about Gang of Four, and if you liked Gang of Four he knew about Wire, and that was a magical thing, seeking out knowledge and physically having to go out and get it.

How did younger actors like Elle Fanning engage with an era they didn’t experience?

Mike Mills: What’s funny is that so much of my crew were born in 1979 or later, so it wasn’t just teaching the actors what it was like to live then but the crew. I didn’t see myself as that old or needing to be much of a historian. Elle said of Julie [her character], “She just reminds me of my friends, I could just glom onto her”. And that’s a neat answer to me because I want to make a historically accurate film but I’m trying to make it for now. I’m interested in how it relates to now.

20th Century Women is due out in UK cinemas 10 February. Watch the trailer below.

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He phrased [his definition of punk] really beautifully—a key part is that these formerly anonymous, unfamous, and I would add unpowerful people have decided to find a voice and get up on a stage and say something. In a way, the whole movie is a little bit about self-discovery. All the characters are figuring out ways to be versions of themselves that are more real for them. We all have versions of ourselves that our family or our society want us to be—or consciously or unconsciously prod us to be—and these people are trying to figure out, “Well, what actually makes me happier? What feels real for me?” in different generations and different genders and different ways. Everyone in my movie, in a way, is undergoing the process of punk as Greil Marcus describes it. It’s a little grand to say that, but I’ll go for it.

Rock criticism and writing about punk music is so amazing in the late ’70s. I also read a lot of Lester Bangs. Lester Bangs is off the chain. His 1979 review of Fear of Music is one of my favorite things—it’s a pretty profound piece of writing summing up ’79 and the ’70s and what it meant, in a way that really resonated with my interpretation of it for the movie.

What other punk books did you and Greta discuss?

It was mostly photography. I showed her Stephen Shore, and a bunch of Hans Peter Feldman, and Cindy Sherman from that time—[Sherman’s] film stills and the early work she did of people on the subway. All the conceptual Pictures Generation people. I have a lot of photography from the Mask, the club in L.A, which I kind of rediscovered for the movie. It was like a cultural meeting point for pre-hardcore L.A. punk: the Screamers, the Weirdos. The Dickies played there, the Germs, and that version of punk is more arty, more queer, more eclectic-bohemian-intellectual. And that’s me—I went to art school.

How exactly would you articulate 20th Century Women’s definition of punk?

Well, it’s interesting. Punk is a tricky word, right? I go around saying it all the time in press, and some people have a real expansive understanding of the word, where you would include the Talking Heads or Suicide. And other people, when you say “punk,” they think of the Sex Pistols, the Ramones, whatever, which are decidedly not in my movie! And Suicide and David Bowie are.

The view of punk you’re talking about—mainstream culture doesn’t often understand it.

Even a lot of punks don’t understand that definition of punk. My version of punk is about breaking creative rules, but it doesn’t have the sort of macho-violence part to it, and it has an emotional aspect to it. It’s open to being emotional, or some quest for real emotion. And that’s what punk did for me in my little bedroom in the ’70s. It kind of saved my emotional life. It helped teach me that there are other ways to be than what the television-infused suburban America story was telling me were my options in the late ’70s. There’s a whole different world.

The film is in the same space: There’s another world besides the false, consumerist, conformist, trope-ridden culture, which just gives you these few select roles that you can live in. And that goes for Elle [Fanning]’s character, Greta’s character, the mom, the boy. They’re all trying to find some way out of those tropes that our culture provides. And I feel like that’s a punk gesture—a move that punk taught me.

Hell You Talmbout- David Byrne of the Talking Heads

Black Flag (band)

American hardcore punk band

Black Flag is an American punk rock band formed in 1976 in Hermosa Beach, California. Initially called Panic, the band was established by Greg Ginn, the guitarist, primary songwriter, and sole continuous member through multiple personnel changes in the band. They are widely considered to be one of the first hardcore punk bands, as well as one of the pioneers of post-hardcore. After breaking up in 1986, Black Flag reunited in 2003 and again in 2013.[3] The second reunion lasted well over a year, during which they released their first studio album in over two decades, What The... (2013). The band announced their third reunion in January 2019.[4] Brandon Pertzborn was replaced by Isaias Gil on drums and Tyler Smith was replaced by Joseph Noval on bass.[5][6]

Black Flag's sound mixed the raw simplicity of the Ramones with atonalguitar solos and, in later years, frequent tempo shifts. The lyrics were written mostly by Ginn, and like other punk bands of the late 1970s and early 1980s, Black Flag voiced an anti-authoritarian and nonconformist message, in songs punctuated with descriptions of social isolation, neurosis, poverty, and paranoia. These themes were explored further when Henry Rollins joined the band as lead singer in 1981. Most of the band's material was released on Ginn's independent record label SST Records.

Over the course of the 1980s, Black Flag's sound, as well as their notoriety evolved. As well as being central to the creation of hardcore punk, they were innovators in the first wave of American West Coast punk rock and are considered a key influence on punk subculture in the United States and abroad. Along with being among the earliest punk rock groups to incorporate elements and the influence of heavy metal melodies and rhythm, there were often overt freestyles, free jazz, breakbeat and contemporary classical elements in their sound, especially in Ginn's guitar playing, and the band interspersed records and performances with instrumentals throughout their career. They also played longer, slower, and more complex songs at a time when other bands in their milieu performed a raw, fast, three-chord format. As a result, their extensive discography is more stylistically varied than many of their punk rock contemporaries.

Black Flag has been well-respected within the punk subculture, primarily for their tireless promotion of an autonomous DIY punk ethic and aesthetic. They are often regarded as pioneers in the movement of undergrounddo-it-yourself record labels that flourished among 1980s punk rock bands. Through constant touring throughout the United States and Canada, and occasionally Europe, Black Flag established a dedicated cult following.


Formation and early years (1976–1981)[edit]

Initially called Panic, Black Flag was formed in 1976 in Hermosa Beach, California located in the South Bay region of Los Angeles. Ginn insisted that the band rehearse several hours a day.[7] This work ethic proved too challenging for some early members; Ginn and singer Keith Morris had an especially difficult time finding a reliable bass guitarist, and often rehearsed without a bassist, a factor that contributed to the development of Ginn's distinctive guitar sound. Ginn's brother Raymond Pettibon and SST house record producer-to-be Spot filled in during rehearsals. In the beginning, Ginn and Morris were inspired by the raw, stripped-down attitude of bands such as the Ramones and the Stooges. Ginn has said "We were influenced by the Stooges and then the Ramones; they inspired us. Keith and myself saw the Ramones when they first toured LA in 1976. After we saw them, I said if they could do it we could do it. I thought Keith would be a good singer and after seeing the Ramones, it made him think that he doesn't have to be some classical operatic singer."[8]

Chuck Dukowski, bassist of Würm, liked Ginn's band, and eventually joined, forming a committed quartet with Ginn, Morris and drummer Brian Migdol. The band held their first performance in December 1977 in Redondo Beach, California. To avoid confusion with another band called Panic, they changed their name to Black Flag in late 1978.[7] They played their first show under this name on January 27, 1979, at the Moose Lodge Hall in Redondo Beach, California.[9] This was the first time Dez Cadena saw the band perform.

The name was suggested by Ginn's brother, artist Raymond Pettibon, who also designed the band's logo: a stylized black flag represented as four black bars.[10] Pettibon stated "If a white flag means surrender, a black flag represents anarchy." Their new name was reminiscent of the anarchist symbol, the insecticide of the same name, and of the British heavy metal band Black Sabbath, one of Ginn's favorite bands. Ginn suggested that he was "comfortable with all the implications of the name."[11] The band spray painted the simple, striking logo all over Los Angeles, attracting attention from both supporters and the Los Angeles Police Department. Pettibon also created much of their cover artwork.

There were few opportunities for punk rock bands to perform in Southern California. (Los Angeles club The Masque was the center of the L.A. punk scene, but was also rather parochial, and did not often admit bands from outside L.A. proper.) Black Flag organized their own gigs, performing at picnics, house parties, schools; any place that was available. They called club owners themselves to arrange appearances, and plastered hundreds of flyers—usually Pettibon's severe, haunting comic strip style panels—on any available surface to publicize performances. Dukowski reported that the "minimum [number of flyers] that went out was 500 for a show."[12]

Though Ginn was the band's leader, special note should be made to Dukowski's contributions to Black Flag. Ginn was tireless and profoundly disciplined; however, he was also rather quiet. Dukowski's intelligent, fast-talking, high-energy persona attracted significant attention, and he was often Black Flag's spokesman to the press. Dukowski acted as the group's tour manager even after he no longer performed with them, and he was likely as important as Ginn in establishing the band's DIY punk ethic and demanding work ethic. Dukowski's bass guitar was a vital part of the early Black Flag sound; "TV Party" for instance, was one of many songs "driven more by Chuck Dukowski's percolating bass line than Ginn's stun-gun guitar."[13]

Morris performed as vocalist on Black Flag's earliest recordings, and his energized, manic stage presence was pivotal in the band earning a reputation in Southern California. Migdol was replaced by the enigmatic Colombian drummer Robo, whose numerous clicking metallic bracelets became part of his drum sound. The band played with a speed and ferocity that was all but unprecedented in rock music; critic Ira Robbins declared that "Black Flag was, for all intents and purposes, America's first hardcore band."[14] Morris quit in 1979, citing, among other reasons, creative differences with Ginn, and his own "freaking out on cocaine and speed."[15] Morris would subsequently form the Circle Jerks.

After Morris's departure, Black Flag recruited fan Ron Reyes as singer. With Reyes, Black Flag recorded the Jealous Again 12-inch EP and appeared in the film The Decline of Western Civilization. This was also the line-up that toured up and down the West Coast for the first time, the version most fans outside of L.A. first saw.

In 1980, Reyes quit Black Flag mid-performance at the Fleetwood in Redondo Beach because of escalating violence. For the remainder of that gig, the band played an extended version of "Louie Louie" and invited audience members to take turns singing.[7]

The more reliable Dez Cadena – another fan – then joined as a vocalist. With Cadena on board, Black Flag began national touring in earnest, and arguably saw two peaks: first as a commercial draw (they sold out the 3,500-seat Santa Monica Civic Auditorium, a feat they were never able to manage again); and second, perhaps seeing the peak of attention from police in the Los Angeles area, due to the violence associated with Black Flag and punk rock in general. The band members have often insisted, however, that the police instigated far more problems than they solved.

By the summer of 1981, however, Cadena's voice was worn. He had no formal training or previous experience as a singer, and had severely strained his voice during Black Flag's nonstop touring, and he wanted to play guitar rather than perform vocals.

Rollins era (1981–1985)[edit]

Henry Rollins performing in 1983

Twenty-year-old fan Henry Rollins (birth name Henry Garfield) was then living in Washington, D.C. and singing for hardcore band State of Alert (S.O.A.). S.O.A. drummer Ivor Hanson had a father who was a top admiral in the US Navy, and his family shared living quarters with the vice president of the United States in the United States Naval Observatory. The band held their practices there, and would have to be let in by United States Secret Service agents.[16]

S.O.A. had corresponded with Black Flag, and met them when they performed on the U.S. east coast. At an impromptu show at A7 in New York City, Rollins had asked the band to perform "Clocked In", and the band offered to let him sing. Since vocalist Dez Cadena was switching to guitar, the band then invited Rollins to audition. Impressed by his stage demeanor, they asked him to become their permanent vocalist.[17] Despite some doubts, he accepted, due in part to Ian MacKaye's encouragement. Rollins acted as roadie for the remainder of the tour while learning Black Flag's songs during sound checks and encores, while Cadena crafted guitar parts that meshed with Ginn's. Rollins also impressed Black Flag with his broad musical interests during an era when punk rock music and fans were increasingly factionalized; he introduced Black Flag to Washington D.C.'s go-go, a distinctive take on funk music.

Rollins was Black Flag's longest-lasting vocalist. When he joined Black Flag, he brought a different attitude and perspective than previous singers. Some earlier songs, such as "Six Pack" (a song written about original singer Keith Morris) blended a sense of black humor with driving punk rock. Rollins was an intense performer, who usually appeared onstage wearing only shorts. Ginn once stated that after Rollins joined, "We couldn't do songs with a sense of humor anymore; he got into the serious way-out poet thing."[13]

With Rollins, Black Flag began work on their first full-length album. The sessions for the album (chronicled in Michael Azerrad's book Our Band Could Be Your Life) were a source of conflict between the band and engineer/producer Spot, who had worked with the band and the SST label since their early years. Spot had already recorded many of the Damaged tracks with Dez Cadena on vocals (as well as Keith Morris and Ron Reyes) and felt that the band's sound was ruined with the two guitar line-up (these versions can be heard on the albums Everything Went Black and The First Four Years). Whereas the earlier four-piece versions are more focused and much cleaner sounding, the Damaged recordings are more akin to a live recording, with little stereo separation of guitars, and somewhat muddy. When asked about the lo-fidelity production, Spot has said "They wanted it to sound that way." However, the artistic content and expression on the album showed the band pushing punk or hardcore music to a new level, with deeply personal and intensely emotional lyrics. As such, Damaged is generally regarded as Black Flag's most focused recording. One critic has written that Damaged was "perhaps the best album to emerge from the quagmire that was early-'80s California punk ... the visceral, intensely physical presence of Damaged has yet to be equaled, although many bands have tried."[18]Damaged was released in 1981, and the group began an extensive tour in support of it, forging an independent network for touring independent music acts that would form a cornerstone of the independent music scene for the decade to come.

The previous year 1980 saw the U.S. punk rock movement hitting a peak in popularity. With Damaged and their growing reputation as an impressive live band, Black Flag seemed poised on the cusp of a commercial breakthrough. The record was to be distributed by now-defunct Unicorn Records, a subsidiary of MCA. Trouble began when MCA refused to handle Damaged after MCA executive Al Bergamo determined the album was an "Anti-Parent" record.[19] However, according to longtime SST employee Joe Carducci[20] the "Anti-Parent" statement was not the real reason for MCA's refusing to distribute Damaged; Carducci reported that Unicorn Records was so poorly managed and so deeply in debt that MCA stood to lose money by distributing the album, regardless of its content. This was the beginning of a legal dispute that would, for several years, disallow Black Flag from using their own name on any record after Damaged was released on SST Records and a copy of the "Anti-Parent" statement was placed on the album's cover.[21]

With their new singer, Black Flag and the Minutemen made their first tour of the UK through late 1981 and early 1982. During that tour, the band met punk icon Richard Hell and opened a concert for him. Rollins later published his diaries from that tour in his book Get in the Van. As the front man, Rollins was a frequent target of violent audience members, and became known for fist-fights with audience members. Rollins developed a distinct showmanship on stage, where he could entertain an audience just by talking to them. The rest of the band were targets too, with Greg Ginn getting hit by a bullet shell while playing in Colwyn Bay.[22]

As Black Flag was about to return home, UK customs detained Colombian drummer Robo due to visa problems, and he was not able to return with the rest of the band. This would be the end of his tenure with the band (he was able to eventually re-enter the United States in mid-1982, at which point he would promptly join the Misfits as one of that band's last drummers before its 1983 breakup). The loss of Robo put an end to extensive touring for a while. Emil Johnson of Twisted Roots filled in for one tour, but it was clear he was only temporary.

While on that tour in Vancouver, the band found out that drummer Chuck Biscuits was leaving D.O.A. He was quickly drafted on board, traveling with the band for the rest of the tour (cut short because of Henry Rollins' injured knee) to learn the songs. This lineup recorded the later-bootlegged cassette 1982 Demos, showing the direction the band would go in for the My War album.

However, due to personality conflicts —in Get in the Van, Rollins described Biscuits as a "fuck up"— and the Unicorn court injunction-forced inactivity of Black Flag, Biscuits left to join their rivals the Circle Jerks. (Later, Biscuits joined ex-Misfits singer Glenn Danzig's solo project Danzig). Black Flag eventually got Bill Stevenson of Descendents to join permanently (he had filled in from time-to-time before). While the Unicorn Records court injunction prevented the group from releasing a new studio album, they nonetheless continued to work on new material, and embarked on a period which would mark a pronounced change in the group's direction (and that of underground music in general).

It is possible that the violence of the previous tour had an effect on the band's direction. The band had also become increasingly interested in music other than punk rock, such as the Jimi Hendrix Experience, and some of the members (particularly Ginn) used cannabis. (However, various members had been fans of such music long before Black Flag, with Ginn being an avid Grateful Dead fan, and Cadena a fan of Hawkwind.) Newer material (which can be heard on the 1982 Demos bootleg) was slower and less like typical punk music, with classic rock and blues influences seeping in. Cadena left to form his own band DC3. He would take some of the new songs he had written for Black Flag with him and record them for DC3's debut album.

Additionally, by late 1983, Dukowski had retired from performing with Black Flag (some accounts report he was "edged out" by Ginn[23]); Azerrad reports that Ginn was dissatisfied with Dukowski's failure to progress as an instrumentalist, and made things difficult for Dukowski in an attempt to make him quit, but in the end, Rollins took it on himself to fire Dukowski.[24] However, a few of Dukowski's songs were featured on later albums, and he continued acting in his capacity as tour manager.

1983 found Black Flag with fresh songs and a new direction, but without a bass player, and embroiled in a legal dispute over distribution due to SST's issuing Damaged (Ginn argued that since MCA was no longer involved, the Unicorn deal was not legally binding, while Unicorn disagreed and sued SST and Black Flag). Until the matter was sorted out, the band were prevented by a court injunction from using the name "Black Flag" on any recordings. They released a compilation record, Everything Went Black, which was credited to the individual musicians, not "Black Flag". In fact, wherever the original album artwork had the words "Black Flag", they had been covered up with small slips of paper, thus adhering to the letter of the law.

After Unicorn Records declared bankruptcy, Black Flag were released from the injunction, and returned with a vengeance, starting with the release of My War. The album was both a continuation of Damaged, and a vast leap forward. While the general mood and lyrics continue in the confrontational and emotional tone of Damaged, the album would prove influential to grunge music as the decade progressed. Lacking a bass player, Ginn played bass guitar, using the pseudonym Dale Nixon. On the May 1, 2007 episode of his radio program Harmony in My Head, Rollins reported that one of Ginn's favorite albums during this era was Mahavishnu Orchestra's Birds of Fire (1973), and opined that John McLaughlin's guitar work influenced Ginn.

Freed legally to release albums, Black Flag was re-energized and ready to continue full steam ahead. The band recruited bassist Kira Roessler (sister of punk keyboardist Paul Roessler, of 45 Grave) to replace Dukowski, and began its most prolific period. With Roessler, Black Flag had arguably found their best bassist. Dukowski was a powerful player, but Roessler brought a level of sophistication and finesse to match Ginn's increasingly ambitious music, without sacrificing any of the visceral impact required for punk rock.

1984 saw Black Flag (and the SST label) at their most ambitious. This year they would release three full-length albums, and toured nearly constantly, with Rollins noting 178 performances for the year, and about that many for 1985. With Dukowski gone, Ginn ceded much of the spotlight to Rollins, who had expressed some discomfort[25] over being the group's de facto spokesman, while Ginn was the recognized leader (Ginn wrote the majority of the group's songs and lyrics).

With Roessler on board, Black Flag began earnest experimentation, sometimes to critical and audience disdain: One critic writes that Slip It In "blurs the line between moronic punk and moronic metal";[14] another writes My War is "a pretentious mess of a record with a totally worthless second side."[26] Rollins reports that Black Flag's set-lists in this era rarely included older crowd favorites like "Six Pack" or "Nervous Breakdown", and that audiences were often irritated by the new, slower Black Flag. Violence against the band (and especially Rollins) was ever-present, although the vocalist was now an avid weight lifter, and more than able to defend himself. Furthermore, to Rollins' chagrin, Ginn's interest in marijuana steadily increased; as Rollins put it, "By '86 it was 'Cannot separate the man from his Anvil case with a big-ass stash.'"[27] Despite the initial resistance to the new music and quasi-psychedelic direction, My War would later be cited as a formative influence on the grunge, stoner and sludge metal genres. The band would continue to evolve toward a more heavy metal sound, with 1985's Loose Nut featuring more polished production.

Later period and break up (1985–1986)[edit]

Despite 1984–85 being the most fruitful period for the band and their record label, Ginn and Rollins would ultimately decide to eject Roessler from Black Flag, citing erratic behavior. It has also been suggested that Ginn's accommodating Roessler's college schedule created tension in the band. Her absence, and the lack of a steady drummer (Stevenson quit and was replaced by Anthony Martinez), contributed to the comparatively weak reputation of the last few Black Flag tours.[according to whom?]

By 1986, Black Flag's members had grown tired of the tensions of their relentless touring schedule, infighting, and of living in near-poverty.[citation needed] The band had been together almost a decade, and true commercial success and stability had eluded them. The band's erratic artistic changes were a barrier to their retaining an audience – Ginn was so creatively restless that Black Flag's albums were often very dissimilar.[citation needed] At one point, Rollins apparently said, "Why don't we make a record that was like the last one so people won't always be trying to catch up with what we're doing?"[28] The next album, In My Head, with its powerful bluesy proto-grunge-metal, did seem to finally be a cohesive follow-up to their previous album Loose Nut, but it would be their last.

Black Flag played its final show on June 27, 1986, in Detroit, Michigan. In his book Get in the Van, Rollins wrote that Ginn telephoned him in August 1986: "He told me he was quitting the band. I thought that was strange considering it was his band and all. So in one short phone call, it was all over."

Post-Black Flag and reunions (1987–2012)[edit]

Since Black Flag's break-up, Rollins has had the most visible public profile as a musician, writer, and actor. Most Black Flag members have also remained active in music, especially Ginn, who continued playing with bands such as Gone, October Faction, and Screw Radio, and Stevenson, who continued on with the Descendents, All, Only Crime, and the reformed Lemonheads. Kira Roessler continues to record and perform with the band dos, a duet with then-husband and Minutemen bassist Mike Watt.

In September 2003, Black Flag played three reunion shows, two at the Hollywood Palladium and one at Alex's Bar in Long Beach, California, to benefit cat rescue organizations (a current passion of Ginn's). The line-up for the shows was Dez Cadena on vocals and guitar, Greg Ginn on guitar, Robo on drums, and C'el Revuelta on bass. Professional skateboarder and singer Mike Vallely also sang all the songs from My War at these shows while Gregory Moore was on drums for the My War set.[29]

On July 24, 2010, in celebration of Ron Reyes's 50th birthday, Greg Ginn and Reyes played a set of three Black Flag songs together in addition to his own set with the Ron Reyes Band.[30]

On December 18, 2011, Keith Morris, Chuck Dukowski, Bill Stevenson, and the Descendents' Stephen Egerton played the Nervous Breakdown EP in its entirety for the Goldenvoice 30th anniversary show called GV 30. This surprise gig at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium took place between sets by the Vandals and the Descendents.[31]

Official reformation, Flag, What The..., and trademark infringement suit (2013–present)[edit]

On January 25, 2013, it was announced that guitarist Greg Ginn and vocalist Ron Reyes would reform Black Flag, joined by Gregory Moore on drums, and 'Dale Nixon' on bass (Dale Nixon is a pseudonym sometimes used by Ginn, most prominently as the bassist on My War). The band would tour as well as release a new album, their first since 1985's In My Head.[32] In March, it was announced that Screeching Weasel bassist Dave Klein had joined the band.[33] On May 2, 2013, the band released a new song entitled "Down in the Dirt" through their website. After releasing two more singles ("The Chase" and "Wallow in Despair"), What The... was released on December 3, and was poorly received by critics and fans.

Around the same time, it was announced that the lineup that played at GV 30, Morris, Dukowski, Stevenson and Egerton, would tour performing Black Flag songs, under the name Flag.[34] It was later announced that the lineup would be joined by Dez Cadena.[35]

On August 2, 2013, SST Records and Greg Ginn brought a trademark infringement action in Los Angeles federal court against Morris, Dukowski, Stevenson, Cadena, and Egerton, with regard to their use of the name Black Flag and the Black Flag logo on the 2013 Flag tour. In the same action, SST and Ginn also sued Henry Rollins and Keith Morris to oppose and cancel the trademark applications filed in September 2012 by Rollins and Morris. SST and Ginn alleged that Rollins and Morris lied to the Patent and Trademark Office on their trademark applications regarding claimed use of the Black Flag name and logo by Rollins and Morris on records, T-shirts, and with regard to live performances.[36]

In October 2013, a federal judge denied the motion for a preliminary injunction, brought by Ginn and SST against Morris, Dukowski, Stevenson, Cadena, and Egerton. The court ruled that it was possible that the logo had fallen into "generic use", but did not rule specifically that it had done so. The court also ruled that Ginn and SST could not prevent the use of the band name "Flag", as it was likely that fans would know the difference between the two acts, because of widespread publicity.[37]

Black Flag (Greg Ginn, Mike Vallely, Tyler Smith, Isaias Gil) Denver, CO 2019
Greg Ginn, Mike Vallely, Tyler Smith, and Isaias Gil performing in Denver, Colorado, 2019

During a show in November 2013 on Black Flag's Australian tour, pro skater and band manager Mike Vallely, who previously sang with the band in 2003, came on stage, took Reyes' microphone, ousted him from Black Flag and sang the band's last two songs. Reyes said he was relieved to be removed from the band, citing difficulties working with Ginn.[38] In January 2014, Vallely was named the band's new lead singer. Vallely apologized for the band's antics in 2013 and revealed that the band had begun working on material for a new album with a tour to tentatively begin in May.[39] Shortly after the announcement, Dave Klein announced he too was leaving the band. In 2014, Ginn filled out the line up with adding new members Tyler Smith on bass, and Brandon Pertzborn on drums. They embarked upon the Victimology Tour, bringing along Ginn's own HOR and Brooklyn band Cinema Cinema, as openers.[40]

On January 28, 2019, it was announced that Black Flag would play their first show in five years at the Sabroso Craft Beer, Taco & Music Festival in Dana Point, California on April 7.[4] The show would be the start of a U.S. tour.[41] The band's first U.K. tour in 35 years was set to follow in October.[42] The new lineup consisted of Greg Ginn on guitar, Mike Vallely on vocals, Tyler Smith on bass, and Isaias Gil on drums.[43]

Style and legacy[edit]

Black Flag are primarily a hardcore punk band and are considered to be one of the first hardcore punk bands.[44][45][46][47] According to Ryan Cooper of and author Doyle Greene, Black Flag is one of the pioneers of the post-hardcore genre for the experimental style they later started playing.[48][49] Black Flag experimented with a sludge metal sound on their album My War.[51] Black Flag also have used elements of styles such as jazz,[53]blues,[54]spoken word,[55]heavy metal,[56]blues rock,free jazz,[54]math rock[57][58] and instrumental music.[54][55]

Throughout their ten-year career as a band, Black Flag's experiences became legendary, especially in the Southern California area. Much of the band's history is chronicled in Henry Rollins' own published tour diary Get in the Van. Black Flag were reportedly blacklisted by the LAPD and Hollywood rock clubs because of the destructiveness of their fans, though Rollins has claimed that police caused far more problems than they solved.

SST Records, an independent American record label that was initially founded to release Black Flag's debut single, released recordings by influential bands such as Bad Brains, Minutemen, Descendents, Meat Puppets, and Hüsker Dü. As well, SST released some albums by Negativland, Soundgarden, Sonic Youth, and Saint Vitus. SST was founded in 1966 by Greg as Solid State Transmitters – later rebranded to release Black Flag albums.

Black Flag's career is chronicled in Our Band Could Be Your Life, a study of several important American underground rock bands. Many members of the grunge scene cited Black Flag's My War album as being influential in their departure from the standard punk model. Steve Turner of Mudhoney stated in an interview, "A lot of other people around the country hated the fact that Black Flag slowed down ... but up here it was really great – we were like 'Yay!' They were weird and fucked-up sounding."[59] Kurt Cobain listed both My War and Damaged in his top 50 albums in his journal in 1993.[60]Jeff Hanneman and Dave Lombardo, both known for their work with Slayer, mentioned Black Flag among their influences.[61][62]Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist Flea has a Black Flag decal on one of his signature Modulus bass guitars, and guitarist John Frusciante has cited Greg Ginn as one of his early influences as a guitar player.[63] British acoustic artist and punk rocker Frank Turner has a Black Flag icon tattoo on his wrist and cites the band as one of his primary inspirations, particularly in regards to their work ethic.[64][65] With Million Dead, if anything went wrong with their tour, Turner said they would "Think Black Flag".[65] Vocalist Maynard James Keenan of the bands Tool and A Perfect Circle, has described seeing Black Flag perform in 1986 as a young punk rocker in Grand Rapids, Michigan, as a "revelatory and life-changing" experience. A Perfect Circle also covered the Black Flag song "Gimmie Gimmie Gimmie" on their Emotive album.[66] Punk band Rise Against portrayed Black Flag in the 2005 Lords of Dogtown film, and their cover of "Nervous Breakdown" is on the Lords of Dogtown soundtrack. Rise Against also does a cover of the Black Flag song "Fix Me" in the video game Tony Hawk's American Wasteland. Initial Records released a Black Flag cover album in 2002 (re-released with additional tracks in 2006 by ReIgnition Recordings), Black on Black: A Tribute to Black Flag. The compilation features 15 hardcore and metalcore bands – including Most Precious Blood, Converge, The Dillinger Escape Plan, American Nightmare, Drowningman, and Coalesce.[67]Bring Me the Horizon frontman Oliver Sykes also mentioned Black Flag as one of his biggest influences. Sykes has also had the tattoo of Black Flag logo showing the love for the band.[68]Americanalternative rock band My Chemical Romance has also stated that the band has been heavily influenced by Black Flag.[69]


The band's logo was created by artist Raymond Pettibonto symbolize their themes of rebellion and anarchy. As the band gained popularity the logo was graffitiedin and around Los Angeles, drawing the attention of the police to the band's activities.[70]

Black Flag's visual imagery and artwork complemented the themes found in the band's music. Greg Ginn's brother Raymond Ginn, under the pseudonym Raymond Pettibon, created the artwork for all of the band's studio releases with the exceptions of Damaged and the "TV Party" single, as well as providing artwork for the band members to transform into merchandise and gigflyers.[71] When the band found it necessary to change their name from Panic in 1978, it was Pettibon who suggested the new name Black Flag and designed their iconic logo: four vertical black rectangles comprising a stylized rippling black flag. The logo evoked a number of meanings: it was the polar opposite of a white flag of surrender, as well as a symbol for anarchism and a traditional emblem of pirates.[72] As the band gained popularity the logo was graffitied on numerous highway overpasses and other public and private surfaces in and around Los Angeles, drawing the attention of the authorities and contributing to an increase in police presence at Black Flag shows.[70]

Pettibon's artwork for the band's albums and flyers was equally stark and confrontational. He typically worked in one panel using only pen and ink, so the message conveyed had to be direct and powerful due to lack of space and color.[71] According to Michael Azerrad in Our Band Could Be Your Life, the artwork "was a perfect visual analogue to the music it promoted – gritty, stark, violent, smart, provocative, and utterly American."[71] It also provided a cerebral aspect to the band's image: as the mainstream media caricatured Black Flag as a mindlessly aggressive act, the pairing of their music with high-concept artwork hinted at a greater intelligence at work that was unknown to outsiders.[71]

Henry Rollins, in his journal collection Get in the Van, notes that Pettibon's artwork became synonymous with Black Flag and that before Rollins joined the band he would collect photocopies of their flyers that had circulated from California to Washington, D.C.[73] The album cover for Nervous Breakdown had a particularly strong impact on Rollins: "The record's cover art said it all. A man with his back to the wall baring his fists. In front of him another man fending him off with a chair. I felt like the guy with his fists up every day of my life."[74]

Pettibon's drawing of a police officer being held at gunpoint was used on flyers and merchandise promoting the "Police Story" single. The speech blurb reads "Make me come, faggot!" The text to the left reads "Art: Chuck Higby", a pseudonym.[70]

Another image which drew considerable attention was the artwork created for the "Police Story" single, showing a police officer being held with a gun in his mouth with the speech blurb "Make me come, faggot!" The image was plastered on flyers all around Los Angeles and added to the police pressure on the band.[70] Pettibon later remarked that "my values are relativistic, and I'll give a cop the benefit of the doubt. If that's me with my gat – my gat's larger than the one depicted – we can have a discussion, and he can answer me just as well with my .357 barrel in his mouth, or on his cheek, or on his adenoids, or down his throat. I'll listen to his whimpering cries."[75]

After joining the band Rollins would sometimes watch Pettibon draw, admiring his work ethic and the fact that he did not make telephone calls or sit for interviews.[76] The drawings themselves rarely bore a direct connection to the music or its lyrical themes. Pettibon himself recalls that:

These drawings just represented what I was thinking. Except for a few instances, the flyers weren't done as commercial art or advertising. You could have stuck anything on a photocopy machine and put the band name and made an advertising flyer, but these weren't done like that. I was vehement about that as much as my personality allowed.[77]

Pettibon also sold pamphlet books of his work through SST, with titles such as Tripping Corpse, New Wave of Violence, and The Bible, the Bottle, and the Bomb, and did artwork for other SST acts such as Minutemen.[71]

In order to adapt Pettibon's artwork to meet the layout requirements of their albums and flyers, the members of Black Flag would alter it by cutting and pasting and adding their name, logo, and gig details to it. They would then make photocopies and put up dozens of flyers to promote their shows. Rollins recalls going out on a flyering mission with roadie Mugger in 1981 in which the pair would put a layer of paste onto a telephone pole, stick up the flyer, and then cover it with an additional coat of paste so that it would last for up to a year. The band members and their crew would do this for miles around, using dozens of flyers to promote a single performance.[78] Pettibon, however, did not always appreciate the band's treatment of his art, which he provided to them largely for free.[79]

"To me my work was the equivalent of a band like Black Flag or any other band who was righteously self-protective of recordings. I would give them original art and it would come back to me scrawled upon and taped over or whited out, and I'd always ask nicely, 'Could you please make a copy of this first and then do that?' Their master tapes were deemed sacrosanct, while my work was seen as completely disposable, but I'm not venting or complaining, just stating fact."[77]

Pettibon also felt pigeonholed by his association with the band, and had a falling out with them in 1985 over artwork used on the cover of the Loose Nut album, which had been used for a flyer several years earlier. Ginn resurrected it without telling his brother and turned it over to drummer Bill Stevenson to do the layout, who cut it into pieces and used them as elements for the cover and lyric sheet. Pettibon became irate and he and Ginn stopped speaking for some time, though his artwork continued to be used for the remainder of the band's career.[79]


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Any movie that features Talking Heads and Greta Gerwig prominently can’t be a complete miss, and after enjoying Mike Mills’ previous feature Beginners, I couldn’t wait to see what he did with my band crush and girl crush in 20th Century Women. The film reads more as a love letter to the director’s mother than a typical coming-of-age narrative, acting as a companion piece to Beginners, which also draws on autobiography to explore parent/child relationships (in this case, a graphic designer coming to terms with his father’s homosexuality and terminal illness). However, the voiceover narration, flashbacks, and found footage which, while on the twee side, worked quite well in Beginners, are less effective here.

This may stem from the fractured focus of 20th Century Women, which is more of an ensemble effort than Beginners. Mills relies on voiceover narration for much of the film’s exposition, and with so many characters, this exposition lasts for at least a third of the film, interrupting its momentum. And while the performances are believable, Mills’ narration in the mouths of these 20th century women and men isn’t, probably because they are so clearly the words of a millennial with a knowledge of what the future holds. The use of flashbacks is also jarring, especially when these flashbacks transition into flash-forwards without warning; often, the only clue that we’ve jumped forward in time is the car that Dorothea (Annette Bening) is driving. The found footage and photos don’t pose such obvious structural problems, but they feel more like a gimmick than a service to the narrative without the graphic design connection of Beginners. They also, like the voiceovers, tended to remove me from the action of the film. For example, when Jamie (Lucas Jade Zumann) goes to a concert in L.A. with his friends, the action is intercut with images that look like they came straight out of The Decline of Western Civilization (which they probably did). And as great as those images are, I would have preferred more immediacy.

I suppose my main problem with the film is this lack of immediacy. At every turn, Mills seems to be pointing out that this film is a nostalgia piece, that he is looking back. This seems like overkill in a film that manages to capture so well the tone of the late 1970s without resorting to caricature. Mills gets the 70s just right by not getting them too spot on, employing characters from different generations and with varying degrees of hipness. Abbie (Greta Gerwig), as a photographer straight from the New York punk scene, is the most of her time, but as she interacts with former hippie William (Billy Crudup), out-of-her-element mother Dorothea, and blank slate teenagers Jamie and Julie (Elle Fanning), a complex portrait of the period emerges that goes beyond nostalgia to reach truth. I found myself cringing every time I was removed from this world by the illogically prescient narration of its characters.

Despite some stylistic issues, however, the authenticity of 20th Century Women shines through. This is largely due to the standout performances of Greta Gerwig, Annette Bening, and Elle Fanning, but I have a hunch that much credit goes to the real-life women and events that inspired the film’s director. The plot is unpredictable and avoids sentimentality (I was afraid for a moment that it would descend into a sappy narrative in which Julie gets pregnant and gives her baby to infertile Abbie, but, thank goodness, we were spared) and manages to feel like real life. Mills also avoids making his stand-in, Jamie, the center of attention. His problems pale in comparison to those of the women around him, letting Dorothea, Julie, and Abbie emerge as complex, flawed, and lovable characters. And since this seems to be what Mills wants to show us, the film is ultimately successful.

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